Threads and Infosec.Exchange

Lately, not an hour goes by without someone asking me about what infosec.exchange is “doing about Threads”. There’s a lot of mis- and dis-information running around the fediverse as of late about Threads beginning to federate, along with some legitimate concerns. This post is not about my personal views, but rather my plans for Threads and some instructions.

At the moment, Threads.net is silenced (aka limited) on infosec.exchange. That means that infosec.exchange accounts won’t see threads.net posts or accounts, and threads.net accounts can’t follow infosec.exchange accounts without approval of the person being followed. This gives people the ability to search for a threads.net account and bypass the warning to follow them. From there, it is like interacting with any other fediverse account. That works fine for now as there are not many threads.net accounts exposed to the fediverse, but it doesn’t scale very well for people who want to interact with threads.net accounts in the future.

The big picture plan for threads.net on infosec.exchange is this:

  1. Silence threads.net – done
  2. Enable the authorized_fetch feature on infosec.exchange to prevent the normal flow of posts from accounts blocking threads.net to Threads’ users and systems – done (note: this in no way prevents people, including Threads, from accessing your public posts. Public posts are public and can be accessed via the web site directly, RSS, and and so on.)
  3. Encourage people who do not want to interact with threads.net or have their posts visible to Threads’ users to block the domain threads.net. – This post is kicking off that campaign. See below for instructions.
  4. Create a new instance (name will either be infosec.space or infosec.cafe, still deciding) that will fully block threads.net. This should be completed by Jan 1, 2024
  5. Encourage infosec.exchange members who are not comfortable with other infosec.exchange users interacting with threads.net to migrate to the new instance or to some other instance that fully blocks theads.net. This campaign will start once the new instance is available.
  6. Remove the threads.net silence/limit on infosec.exchange. This will happen 60 days after step 5.

Q&A

Q: I think you are a terrible person not blocking threads.

A: I am sorry it didn’t work out between us. I am but an imperfect human trying my best to navigate a complicated world. There are other instances that may be more to your liking.

Q: Will the new instance block instances that don’t block threads.net?

A: I do not currently see value in this beyond being punitive to other instances, so no, there are no current plans to do that.

Q: I’ve been told that instances will collapse once threads starts federating. Aren’t you worried about that?

A: I worry about many things. This isn’t one of them. For sound technical reasons.

Q: What if no one wants to use your new instance or what if everyone leaves infosec.exchange due to your poor decision making?

A: I save a lot of time and money.

Q: What happens when $terribleaccount on threads.net starts harassing people?

A: I will block the account, just like I do today.

Q: Aren’t you worried about the moderation of threads.net?

A: Not really. I get to deal with problematic instances and problematic people all day, every day. If it gets to be too much, I’ll reassess.

Q: How do I block threads.net on my account?

A: This is how:

These instructions are how to block threads.net via a web browser. Some mobile apps also expose this feature and some don’t, and I don’t really have the ability to create instructions for the 20+ different mobile apps.

Step 1 – search for threads.net

Step 2 – Select a threads.net account:

Step 3 – Click on the menu next to the account name in the profile view:

Step 4 – block the domain

That’s it.


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29 responses to “Threads and Infosec.Exchange”

  1. lira Avatar
    lira

    The Q&A section was :chefskiss:

  2. Dennis Faucher Avatar

    Thanks for everything Jerry

  3. hal8999 Avatar
    hal8999

    ” I think you are a terrible person not blocking ___ . ”

    Vader eventually killed Palpatine.

    Just sayin’, sometimes admins and mods don’t have to judge the entire universe all the time.

  4. Mr Matthew Brown Avatar

    This sounds like a well-thought-out plan. Loved the FAQ.

  5. moly Avatar
    moly

    hell ye jerry berry

  6. Christoff :stealie: Avatar

    @jerry @tinker I like that you’re transparent about it all and up-front about it, even if I disagree. I respect and value you 🙂 I like that we can disagree and not be enemies!

  7. Ek Ong Kaar K Michaud Avatar

    @jerry Bookmarking this post. Thank you.

  8. Kinetix Avatar

    I find the 'wait and see' attitude with Meta completely mystifying.
    @snott

  9. anon Avatar
    anon

    Thank you for your effort Jerry

  10. chkuendig :verified: Avatar

    @jerry reasonable and the right decision. @seb FYI (not sure you have made any statement yet and like most people have probably more important things to worry about than Threads federation 😀 )

    1. seb - buttons are toys! Avatar

      @chkuendig @jerry Thanks. We are not putting any blocks in place preventatively. We will handle the Threads instance the same way as any other instance. If community members of #IOCX feel like they don’t want to interact with threads users, they can block the instance on the user level.

      As far as I understand the business model of companies like meta, it is highly unlikely that they will make federation opt-out on their side. They will very likely only enable the fediverse as an opt-in feature for their users.

  11. Darnell Clayton Avatar

    That is a reasonable response. Establish an instance for users to migrate towards if they want Threads blocked completely while allowing those who want to interact with Threads to stay.

    I know Pixelfed social will enable a feature that allows users to bypass an admin block of a domain. I am not sure if Mastodon will adopt this feature.

    1. jerry Avatar

      Yeah, I apparently gave that idea to Dan 🙂

  12. Paul Chambers Avatar

    @jerry
    No comment except, as I was reading the FAQ question starting with "Q: What if no one wants to use your new instance…" answer, a commercial on TV in the background said, "I just saved a bunch of money by switching to…"

  13. Morten Toudahl Avatar

    @jerry I have not kept up with things in the fediverse for a while.

    Why is threads.net a problem?

    1. jerry Avatar

      Concerns about data privacy and also concerns about the ethics of Meta

    2. DirtWood Avatar

      @mortentoudahl @jerry it's Meta and Meta is fundamentally hostile to Mastodon.

  14. Kevin Karhan Avatar

    Thanks for being upfront…

    I may have to move OS/1337 accounts to infosec.space or infosec.cafe then and sadly won’t be able to migrate my own account to either nor infosec.exchange.

    1. jerry Avatar

      I understand and I wish you well

      1. Kevin Karhan Avatar

        Thanks again for your time and effort…

  15. Andres Jalinton Avatar

    @jerry
    Hello Jerry, happy holidays.
    Thanks for this very insightful post.

    I have some questions from the technical side of things.

    I'm assuming you will be running two :mastodon: instances in one machine, do you have any way to "sync" the external media so one :mastodon: instance shares the same file with the other (saving lots of GBs of data from duplication)

    About the technical reasons behind not worrying about Thread, could you elaborate more?

    Thanks again!

    1. jerry Avatar

      Sadly, it’ll be completely separate

  16. Laimis Avatar

    @jerry well done, sir! You are going above and beyond with providing a new instance to satisfy those wanting full block. Super informative, and sane!

  17. Claudius Avatar

    @jerry
    Q: why lift the silence/limit? This could simply remain in place, IMO.

    1. jerry Avatar

      Because there are many people who actively want to interact with Threads and the silence makes that difficult.

  18. jerry Avatar

    I understand and I wish you well.

  19. Stephen Gentle Avatar

    @lrhodes @jerry I guess it’s a recognition that it’s probably mostly a small but very vocal minority who are extremely against federating with Threads? Likely many regular users don’t really care that much…

    Kind of like how I don’t like what Google does with respect to privacy, but I wouldn’t want my email provider to block me from sending or receiving email to/from Gmail accounts…

  20. momatron Avatar

    @jerry Thank you for your thoughtful response and the extra work.

    I got on threads for a minute since friends were posting there, but it was full of such thoughtless, toxic trolls that I bailed immediately. Yikes.

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